False. You have access to the player-controlled market even in highsec.

If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel?

I don't see whats so hard to understand. Eve is about combat & warfare which means you undock, your at risk plain & simple. Dosen't matter high low null WH those rules of engagement apply everywhere and CCP is not about to change them. So toughen up, fly smart, don't fly what you can't afford to lose or find another game.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

See, now the mistake you've made is that you think he actually has enough knowledge of the English language to understand the literal definition.

In his mind PvP means "u dun got 2 shot da ships o7"

Go on a random forum board of gamers and ask them what isk sinks are in eve, and they'll go "well it's when you lose a ship".

Just because tons of people thinks the same thing, doesn't make them right.

Have you ever been involved in sov warfare? Who's currently the most successful coalition in Eve? Are they poor? Do you know what a war of attrition is? Or the ways it can be used?




So let me get this straight, me saying pvp is players competing against players in all formats is me spinning it specifically to my own means. Yet you saying pvp is only related to ship-to-ship combat isn't?

Please tell me you see the flaw in your logic.

Wow...

EDIT: I just noticed your sig, I'm assuming that you've realized how mistaken you are?

What words does PVP stand for?

And here I thought I was curing stupid...

We wouldn't expect you to start beating yourself, even when you are wrong.

PvP = Player verse Player.
This includes, but not limited to: Mining. Trading. Ship spinning. Hauling. Combat. etc. etc. I could go on with the list, but you still wouldn't understand the concept.

Continuing the fable....

Pack of wolves goes looking for sheep, find out they've covered themselves in camo, hide in the trees, communicate with closed channel radios and only fight when they outnumber wolves 5:1 with AK-47s. Wolves cry it's unfair and say they just want "gud fites" with the sheep.

They try multiple times and fail and their whines fall on deaf ears. So they stop looking for sheep in the forest and go slaughter veal cows (cows locked into stables so their legs turn to jelly and they do nothing but eat all day) and when the cows complain, the wolves point to the sheep and say HTFU.

The sheep tell the cows how to protect themselves. They ignore them and keep whining and dying. Even the wolves tell them how to protect themselves, but they still keep whining and dying.

Fearing a loss in profit, the farmer makes the stables sturdier, gets better guard dogs and makes the cows fatter. The wolves still figure out how to kill the veal cows "profitably", so the farmer tells every redneck in town that they can hunt wolves on his property to their heart's content.

Welcome to present-day eve online.

Your limitations on what the term PvP means is merely that, your limitation. It doesn't change the fact that PvP means Player verses Player. In the context of Eve's game play, it means Eve is PvP centric.

As far as your question goes, it would depend on the circumstance in which the question was asked.

Thanks for playing.

A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

There is a difference between roleplaying and out-of-game discussion. No matter how you spin it, asking CCP for changes is never roleplaying.



You do realize this goes both ways? You seem to think that what you call "pvper's" (read your sig) want carebears gone, when all they really want is to break their illusion of perfect safety. Just because it's entertaining to do so as well should not be a reason clouding your judgement. They also want a more balanced risk/reward distribution for everyone. When carebears say it's not worth leaving highsec as the risk/reward does not justify it, I totally agree with them. This is why incentives need to be added outside until we get a better player distribution. Would this "stealth-nerf" highsec income? Absolutely.

Its getting ever safer as time goes by and I can assure you that nobody greifs people unless there are daft or looking to get banned.


Its the bears who are strangling this game.



If this was true we wouldn't be building most of our stuff in empire and grinding up a good bulk of the isk to fun our wars too.



All we are asking for is for the damage already done to be fixed and an end to the nerfing of our playstyle.